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The NFL has a sliding scale minimum depending on experience. For the 2010 season, the minimums are as follows:

R $325,000
1 $400,000
2 $475,000
3 $550,000
4-6 $635,000
7-9 $760,000
10+ $860,000

Since the average career, according to the NFLPA, is 3.5 years I would imagine the guys at that level would take a lockout pretty hard as they know their career may likely be coming to an end...

The NFL Players Association’s big bargaining chip in the collective bargaining process — to counter a possible lockout — is decertification.

The union reportedly was "minutes away" from filing decertification papers with the National Labor Relations Board on Thursday of last week, only to agree to a pair of extensions in the CBA to continue negotiations with the league's owners.

Involved in the NFL and the players' union mediation talks are NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith and league commissioner Roger Goodell. Decertification basically means the NFLPA would operate as a "trade organization" but would cease to be a union. Then if the league locked out the players, the NFLPA could sue the league in federal court under antitrust law. Union representatives said last week that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, Colts quarterback Peyton Manning and Saints quarterback Drew Brees had agreed to be the primary plaintiffs in any lawsuit.

If the NFLPA remains a union with collective-bargaining authority for its members, it can’t sue the NFL because of a labor exemption to antitrust laws. If the union waits until after the current CBA expires to decertify, the union would have to wait six months to sue the NFL.

Should the NFLPA decertify before the end of the current CBA, all lawsuits then would go before U.S. District Judge David Doty in Minneapolis. He has ruled in favor of the players in several legal challenges since the early 1990s, including last week's ruling that denied NFL owners access to more than $4 billion in TV revenue during a possible lockout.

Decertification also would allow the union to challenge in court any new labor system the league tried to implement. The league also might be forced to pay damages to the union if the NFLPA won a court challenge.

If the union decertifies, the league likely would sue the NFLPA, claiming the decertification is a sham. The league would argue that the union only decertified to take advantage of antitrust laws

Myself as a fan....well I'm f..king sick of all this crap

After last week’s seven-day extension, the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires at 10:59 p.m. (CDT). After that, the owners can then decide whether or not to announce a lock out. However, with the union’s decision to decertify, it could be until next week before judges decide the ruling.

Apparently, the big sticking point on Friday was the union’s desire for the NFL owners to open their books for the last 10 years. After a meeting and a offer by the owners, the union, led by Smith, turned it down, leading to the next step of decertification.

The NFL issued a statement late Friday afternoon:

“The fastest way to a fair agreement is for both the union and the clubs to continue the mediation process.  Unfortunately, the players’ union has notified our office that at 4pm ET it had “decertified” and is walking away from mediation and collective bargaining, presumably to initiate the antitrust litigation it has been threatening to file. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, the clubs offered a deal that would have had no adverse financial impact upon veteran players in the early years and would meet the players’ financial demands in the latter years.

The union left a very good deal on the table. It included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; ensure no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

The union was offered financial disclosure of audited league and club profitability information that is not even shared with the NFL clubs."

the NFLPA acts like they are the friggin IRS, Not only do they want to see records, they want to take them to another bunch to audit (bank) who will also have a full set of the Owners records. This is insane, no company would ever agree to this.

My answer to this can be found in the troll cave

I hope that dumbass Doty realizes he just the pawn of the NFLPA and decides to shove it up their collective asses
El Kabong

Yeah, I have zero sympathy for the players. Not even 2% of our country's population are considered professional athletes. Not to mention, the 30+ owners that are fighting for $9 billion. Like stated earlier the lowest salary still breaks the 300,000 mark. Sure they risk their bodies, but they do it in something they love to do, which the average American cannot claim the same feelings and emotions. When I get up and go to work or school, I'm making just as big a risk doing something I don't love. Automobile accidents have a ridiculously high death rate, so I'm making risks. These guys fly first class, and get shuttled around on top notch buses while we develop road rage and stress out over other stupid drivers, I mean C'MON MAN. I'm done listening to these players demand more money. I just want to see the Dallas Cowboys playing Dallas Cowboys football. Both sides are being dishonest. Obviously the owners don't want to show them their money books, because they probably aren't losing money like they claim, but the players need to just shut up and realize what small category they are in. I'm living to paycheck to paycheck, and it sucks. Most, if not all, players are guaranteed more money than I'll make in, at least, 6 years. If you're an NFL player and you're reading this, grow up, stop being so ungreatful, and stop whining. Just enjoy getting paid to play football. It's football, a contact sport, if you're so worried about your life after football, then maybe you should consider a career in something else
El Kabong

Well it didn't take much time for the people behind the scenes to start losing money. The Bills announced their employees will start getting pay cuts. Other teams are doing the same and some team our making their employees take unpaid furloughs.

El Kabong wrote:
Well it didn't take much time for the people behind the scenes to start losing money. The Bills announced their employees will start getting pay cuts. Other teams are doing the same and some team our making their employees take unpaid furloughs.

That my friend is called the tip of the iceburg, there will now be a long rolling wave as this begins to spread out.
El Kabong

After seeing some of these players doing interviews, my suggestion is they need to go back to school and try and at least learn the English language.

Well today is a big day! It's the first court date between the Brady, Manning, Brees vs the NFL lawsuit in Federal Court. Also, it should be mentioned that the other antitrust lawsuit retired players vs the NFL has been combined with the  other lawsuit for motion filing and addressing purposes. There is a strong possibility that both cases could be combined all together.

So to recap, the big motion to be heard is an injunction to the lockout by the owners/NFL. The injunction could lift the lockout immediatley or within 24-48 hours. However, I am almost positive that the owners/NFL will file an appeal in the 8th Circuit of Appeals to STAY that injunction immediately.

NFL Statement On 8th Circuit's Stay Ruling
Posted by rphillips at 5/17/2011 11:05 AM CDT on  

Monday night, news broke that the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals had indeed granted a full stay of the lockout injunction, keeping the lockout in place as the appeals process plays out in the NFL's ongoing labor dispute.

A June 3 hearing in St. Louis is scheduled for the appeal of Judge Susan Nelson's ruling in late April that temporarily lifted the lockout. Arguments will be made to a three-judge panel.

The league released a statement regarding Monday's ruling:

“It is now time to devote all of our energy to reaching a comprehensive agreement that will improve the game for the benefit of current and retired players, teams, and, most importantly, the fans. This litigation has taken the parties away from the negotiating table where these issues should be resolved. We remain confident that the appellate court will determine that this is a labor dispute that should be governed by federal labor law. But the league and players, without further delay, should control their own destiny and decide the future of the NFL together through negotiation.”

I say the players won't negotiate, and will hold out to hear the June 3rd ruling.

Everybody better wake up soon and see whats going on with the fans.


This is a copy of a letter to Mike Holmgren of the Cleveland Browns Organization. They sent this man a letter basically telling him to pay up now for his season tickets (for a season that right now does not exist) or he will lose his rights to the seats, that already cost him $2000.00. Here is his response:

Dear Mr. Holmgren,

I may not be the hardest of hard-core football fans, but I'm up there, and I don't like what I see. I'm sure that common sense, or economic necessity, will prevail and we'll see football again this year. And the media will act like nothing ever happened, and many fans will return. But I can't in good conscience give you money that could be better used by my family for other things. I love your product, and the community which supports it, but not what your business has become.

If you should be doing anything this year, it's figuring how to make do with less, reducing costs to fans, giving them greater value in exchange for the increased pain they bear in supporting your expensive product. What you should not be doing is squabbling over what is, to many of us, already an obscene amount of treasure.

This is my way of saying that there will be four more seats available for someone else in Cleveland Browns Stadium this year. I will not be writing you a check. I'll have to give up that dream of "owning" those seats and passing them down to my son.

Sir, consider me the canary in your gold mine, an early-warning sign as to whether the air has become too toxic. I've been here every day for decades, watching attentively from my cage.

But, today, I'm gone.  

Perhaps we should all write letters to our favorite teams owners. It may be our only course of action. If there is football or not, the last thing the greedy owners want to see is hate mail from the fans threatening to not put out ridiculous amounts of money to see a product that may not exist because of the owners greed.

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